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Friday, February 6, 2015

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The discussion I had with a friend. 


A : What if God is actually a being that has no will ? He create by whim. Spontaneously and randomly without any pre-set purposes or intention. By impulse.

B : Let's begin with that assumption for the sake of argument. God is now like a 'crazy human' that has no intention to do anything, but just do them. But, this unpredictable spontaneous God has created humans who have will, intention and choices, capable of making decision. 

A : Yes some sort like that.

B : Is time part of the creation of God in this conjecture ?

A : Yes. Indeed since he is still a God.

B : If  time is his creation, then, he is not bounded by time, right?

A : Yes.

B : When you are not bounded by time, you are free to move across timeline freely : past,present,future. So God ,in other words, can be said to have infinite time ?

A : Yes. We can put it that way.

B : Then we can say that, given the infinite amount of time, this unpredictable God has a possibility of creating his own intelligent, choices, will and intention just like he had created for humans, right? 

A : Yes. That defeats the assumption that God is a being without will and intention and he is indeed intelligent and capable of will, intention and purposes. But, what if time itself is not his creation, meaning he is bounded by time.

B : Ditto. If your God in this conjecture, still is a God, he cannot die at any point right because the concept of God dictates infallibility ? Then, if time was not created, or had created itself, then we can assume that time will never end. And God being infallible will remain forever in this never-ending time. The difference is now, his time goes in one direction that is, to the future. So given infinite amount of time, God will still be intelligent.

A : But what if God is not omnipotent? His power has a limitation. But, because the gap between the power of a human and him is so large, we tend to regard that God is omnipotent.

B : You are arguing on perspective. In a simple analogy, an ant seeing Burj Dubai, would think and believe that it is a tower that does not have an end. But the truth Burj Dubai is only 800 meter tall. Still limited. Ant being the power of a human, and the height of Burj Dubai being the power of God. In our perspective, then, God is omnipotent although his power has a limit just like the tower ends.

A : Yes that is what I mean.

B : But, the fundamental question suppose to be, can the ant ever reach the height of the tower? By simple logic , we can say that the ant , being an ant, can never grew taller than the tower because its nature has been set in small. So does it make a difference if God's power is limited but still encompasses everything that we have ever known, and more than we could ever achieve, hence God being limited does not change anything except what we understand of Him. He is still God. And everything he has ordain for us in our nature and in our destiny still oblige us to bow and prostrate to him.

A : But what if God is not omniscient ? His knowledge is limited. Then, human collective knowledge will and is able to exceeds God's ,provided an enough duration of time.

B : Isn't that self-defeating in the assumption itself ? If a human can possess a knowledge that the God don't, then it can only be the case that that particular knowledge is not created by God. But God create every information exist in the universe. God does not forget what he has created, A creation cannot exceed the creator as long as the creation depends on the creator. If human is analogous to a book, every single alphabet written represent the information human mind had capture, but never has a book write itself. So, a book can never exceed the knowledge of its author as long as the author is the one who wrote it.

A : If God is omnipotent, can God create a stone that is so heavy that he himself cannot move it ?

B : Yes He can create a stone that is so heavy that He Himself is not able to move it, but at the same time He can. 

A : How is that possible ? How can it be and not be at the same time ?

B : You are arguing on illogical premise, something that is contradictory by itself, how then you expect the answer can be a simple yes or no ?

A : But if God is really powerful, He must be able to do it. 

B : Even if God is able to accomplish that, can your logic accepts something that is incomprehensible ? Then how do you expect an answer for a question that you can never understand the answer ?

A : Okay, lets reduce the question to a more simpler version that might helps us to understand the concept of omnipotence. If God can do everything, then the law of absolute dictates that He wont be able to do one thing which is think of a thing that he cannot do.

B : You see, that does not lowers the standard of God.

A; But doesn't that break the argument that God is omnipotent ? That nothing can be anything omnipotent.

B : God is omnipotent in terms that has been set for his Almighty Nature.  If you propose a task that is not logical consistent with his nature, for instance, can the All- Wise God make himself stupid ? Can the All-Powerful God make Himself weak ? Can God tells lies ? NO. To be able to do something that is against the nature of Exaltedness will only make him weaker, and not being able to make oneself weak is stronger.




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